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It is with pleasure that I, Kate Cousens, invite you to listen to my podcast ‘Ladder Down’ where we chat all things business and career.

Sending the ladder down is the concept of someone sharing their success to help raise others up and, in this podcast, we will explore the ups and downs of climbing the career and business ladder.

This concept is one that is close to my heart as back in 2018 I wrote and self-published a book called ‘Ladder Climbing in High Heels’ where I shared a number of what I called ‘Ladder Lessons’ that I found useful during my 20+ year corporate career.

Since then I have gone on to become co-founder of a UK based firm called DICE which stands for 'Develop, Inspire, Create and Embed', summarising what I do to help owners and senior leaders with their personal development and business growth goals.

I love listening to people tell their story and how they progressed in their career or got to run their own business. I hope that listeners will find these stories helpful and can apply the things they learn along the way in their own lives.

Please let me know what you think of the Podcast and connect with me at:  

Feb 14, 2021

In this podcast, Kate interviews Hems de Winter. Born in Rotterdam, Hems found himself totally unsuited to the family traditions of dredging, land reclamation and civil engineering and, devoid of any meaningful qualifications, opted instead to leave school in Liverpool and try for a career in journalism.

After various roles including court reporter, chief reporter and chef sub editor, he was appointed Editor of the Liverpool Weekly News at the age of 25.

Hems left journalism after ten years and spent several years as a press officer with Cheshire County Council before joining his first PR consultancy as an account executive.

It was in 1989 that he took the decision to launch his own agency and 33 years later, de Winter PR still flourishes, having transformed itself from a small, parochial lifestyle business into a multi-award-winning agency with global clients.

Hems left the agency in good hands three years ago to launch ‘Hems de Winter Consulting’ and pursue his passions for helping business owners create more sustainable and more successful values-led businesses, and mentoring young people.

He is now working with agencies and organisations across the North West. Hems is a TEDx speaker, Young Enterprise board member, mentor, hospital governor and a trustee on several charities. Connect and find out more at: